When trading large blocks of shares, particularly in illiquid stocks, it helps to hide the number of shares in your order. You can do this with what is called an iceberg order. The video below shows how they work in Interactive Brokers Traders’ Workstation as I try to cover a large short position in an illiquid stock. You can learn more about all complex order types at IB by visiting their order type page.
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#1 by jake on January 17, 2010 - 10:30 am
Hey Reaper, I just got IB, does IB charge 100.00 to 50.00 when I cancel an order? I read this on their site, I’ve cancelled orders before but I don’t see the charge in my account.
thanks
#2 by Tastylunch on January 17, 2010 - 1:22 pm
That’s very good advice
OT: Reaper what’s the deal with Left? Why the domain switch to .net? He hasn’t put a new report in awhile, he’s been on a cold streak.
#3 by Reaper on January 17, 2010 - 1:42 pm
My bet is he was just a moron and didn’t renew his domain name in time and a squatter got it.
#4 by john on January 18, 2010 - 9:35 am
Reaper, do you know anything about these cancel order fee’s?
#5 by Reaper on January 18, 2010 - 10:25 am
Yes and I will answer that question next week in my Saturday morning Q&A post.
#6 by tlento on January 18, 2010 - 6:27 pm
Why not use the “Hidden” order type?
#7 by Reaper on January 18, 2010 - 6:32 pm
Good question. I guess they are both options. Iceberg orders would be better to the extent that you would get preferential fills on the shown quantity. If there are 800 shares other than mine bid at 5.60 and I bid first with a hidden order, my order will fill last. If I am showing 400 on an iceberg order, my 400 shown will get filled first. Shown orders are always filled before hidden orders.
http://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/trading/orders/hidden.php?ib_entity=llc
#8 by tlento on January 18, 2010 - 6:50 pm
Thought you might be interested in adding the “Trader Dashboard” function to your TWS since I saw you had the SPY on your tab. Look into it.
#9 by Reaper on January 18, 2010 - 7:19 pm
Yeah thanks, but I’ve tried and I just don’t like it for some reason. So SPY stays!
#10 by Jamal Chahboune on January 19, 2010 - 12:45 pm
Wouldnt’ it be better to just use an ECN such as EDGX or EDGA that displays 100 shares regardless of your order size? At least that way you won’t lose your place in line.
#11 by Reaper on January 19, 2010 - 12:49 pm
They really display only 100 shares? I just tried a 300 share bid on EDGA and it showed 300 hundred shares.
#12 by Jamal Chahboune on January 19, 2010 - 4:12 pm
Interesting, when I use EDGA (for NYSE and AMEX) and EDGX (for NASDAQ) I get displayed as 1 on level 2. I know other ecns such as BATS do display your true order size but it has never happened to me with EDGX or EDGA. Perhaps this is a broker thing.
#13 by Jamal Chahboune on January 19, 2010 - 4:14 pm
Or because you subscribe to NASDAQ Totalview (which apparently displays more liquidity than regular Level 2), you can see people that normal Level 2 won’t display.
#14 by Reaper on January 19, 2010 - 4:15 pm
I saw it on level one as I created a higher best bid.